John Calipari will forfeit a Final Four appearance for the second time in his coaching career.
The University of Memphis will forfeit its 2008 Final Four appearance and 38-win season, according to the Memphis Commercial Appeal, which cited a source close to the situation. The NCAA will release findings of its investigation into violations committed by the program Thursday.
The NCAA investigated whether someone took the SAT for former Memphis guard Derrick Rose (pictured), now with the Chicago Bulls. That made Rose retroactively ineligible. His older brother, Reggie Rose, was also found to have accumulated $2,260 in unpaid trave expenses. Memphis was notified of potential violations in January and met with the NCAA in June.
“Honestly, I don’t care,” Antonio Anderson, a member of the ’08 team told Jeff Goodman of FoxSports.com. “We know what we did. We didn’t do anything wrong, but it is what it is.”
It would be the second time both Memphis and Calipari, who left Memphis after the season to coach Kentucky, had to vacate Final Four seasons. The Tigers were stripped of their 1985 appearance under Dana Kirk and Calipari’s Massachusetts team lost its 1996 berth because Marcus Camby took money from an agent.
Only Memphis’ 1973 Final Four appearance will remain on the books.
Memphis athletic director R.C. Johnson, coach Josh Pastner and a spokesman for the team couldn’t be reached by The Associated Press for comment Wednesday night.
(The AP contributed)
WOODEN WATCH LIST
Here is the Wooden Top 50 Preseason List released today. Freshmen were not eligible. Big East players are bolded.
Solomon Alabi 7-1 So. C Florida State
Cole Aldrich 6-11 Jr. C Kansas
Al-Farouq Aminu 6-9 So. F Wake Forest
Luke Babbit 6-9 So. F Nevada
Talor Battle 5-11 Jr. G Penn State
Trevor Booker 6-7 Sr. F Clemson
Matt Bouldin 6-5 Sr. G Gonzaga
Craig Brackins 6-10 Jr. F Iowa State
Da’Sean Butler 6-7 Sr. F West Virginia
Sherron Collins 5-11 Sr. G Kansas
Ed Davis 6-10 So. F North Carolina
Devan Downey 5-9 Sr G South Carolina
Jerome Dyson 6-3 Sr. G Connecticut
Devin Ebanks 6-9 So. F West Virginia
Corey Fisher 6-1 Jr. G Villanova
Luke Harangody 6-8 Sr. F Notre Dame
Manny Harris 6-5 Jr. G Michigan
Gordon Hayward 6-8 So. G/F Butler
Jeremy Hazell 6-5 Jr. G Seton Hall
Robbie Hummel 6-8 Jr. F Purdue
Damion James 6-7 Sr. G/F Texas
Sylven Landesberg 6-6 So. G Virginia
Gani Lawal 6-9 Jr. F Georgia Tech
Kalin Lucas 6-0 Jr. G Michigan State
Tasmin Mitchell 6-7 Sr. F Louisiana State
Greg Monroe 6-11 So. C Georgetown
E’Twaun Moore 6-3 Jr. G Purdue
Raymar Morgan 6-8 Sr. F Michigan State
A.J. Ogilvy 6-11 Jr. C Vanderbilt
Patrick Patterson 6-9 Jr. F Kentucky
Jerome Randle 5-10 Sr. G California
Scottie Reynolds 6-2 Jr. G Villanova
Samardo Samuels 6-8 So. F Louisville
Larry Sanders 6-11 Jr. F VCU
Jon Scheyer 6-5 Sr. G Duke
DeShawn Sims 6-8 Sr. F Michigan
Kyle Singler 6-8 Jr. F Duke
Tyler Smith 6-7- Sr. G/F Tennessee
Isaiah Thomas 5-8 So. G Washington
Deon Thompson 6-8 Sr. F North Carolina
J.T. Tiller 6-3 Sr. G Missouri
Evan Turner 6-7 Jr. G/F Ohio State
Jarvis Varnado 6-9 Sr. F/C Mississippi State
Greivis Vasquez 6-6 Sr. G Maryland
Deonta Vaughn 6-1 Sr. G Cincinnati
Kemba Walker 6-1 So. G Connecticut
Willie Warren 6-4 So. G Oklahoma
Terrico White 6-5 So. G Mississippi
Nic Wise 5-10 Sr. G Arizona
Chris Wright 6-8 Jr. F Dayton
(Photo courtesy West Virginia athletics)
JessieWildcat / August 20, 2009
Well, the NCAA is about FIVE weeks late on its penality.
And it is a baby slap on the wrist.
The obvious penality was the forefeit of the final four. This is a given.
NCAA big dissappointment.
Note:
Another black mark on Cali and WWW.
I guess, Kentucky is next with the inadequate NCAA investigation.
Based on the NCAA laughable slap on the wrist , we should all expect more schools to do similiar things that Memphis did and get away with it.
Poor example by the NCAA.
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JessieWildcat / August 20, 2009
Get READY folks , the NCAA is gearing up for its biggest fight.
It will go after Cali and WWW.
Looks like the NCAA smells some blood.
I would expect Kentucky to be facing some NCAA investigation by next year, for sure.
The NCAA looks real bad with the Memphis penality.
So, it must go after Cali and stop these violations.
A STRONG message to Cali and Kentucky will give NOTICE to ALL the college basketball programs.
http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2009/aug/20/geoff-calkins-ncaa-ruling-less-about-memphis-more-/
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JessieWildcat / August 20, 2009
Look at the bright side, Memphis basketball fans. At least your head coach hasn’t had two Final Four appearances stripped from the record books.
John Calipari is Kentucky’s problem now.
Or should it be Kentucky’s punch line?
Q: When is a Final Four appearance not a Final Four appearance?
A: When Calipari is coaching!
First, the University of Massachusetts is stripped of its Final Four.
Now, it’s Memphis’ turn.
The University of Memphis will hold a press conference this morning to announce that the NCAA Committee on Infractions has ruled that Memphis must vacate 38 victories and its 2008 Final Four appearance.
It will not be a proud day for Memphis sports.
No university wants to be smacked hard by the NCAA. No fan base wants its memories sullied by scandal.
The glorious season of 2008 will forever be known as the tainted season of 2008. The banners that hang in FedExForum from that year will look a little different now.
But as much as they might like to pretend otherwise in Lexington, this is less about the basketball program at Memphis than it is about its former coach.
Just look at the penalties as they’re doled out today. That’s all you need to do.
Memphis won’t get banned from television or the NCAA Tournament. Memphis won’t lose any scholarships.
The Memphis basketball program under first-year coach Josh Pastner won’t be affected as it goes forward.
The Memphis basketball program under Calipari?
Whack.
Whack.
Whack.
And, yes, I know, Calipari won’t be implicated in the report. That’s part of the genius of the man.
Calipari wasn’t implicated when UMass lost its Final Four appearance.
He wasn’t implicated when the NCAA alleged that Derrick Rose didn’t take his SAT.
He wasn’t implicated when the NCAA alleged that Reggie Rose, Derrick’s brother, made impermissible trips on the team plane, either.
Maybe Calipari should think about ditching “Refuse to Lose” for a whole new slogan.
Like: “Never implicated!”
Or: “Not personally named!”
It takes a village to take the fall for Calipari, doesn’t it?
Or at least a university.
To be sure, the university was complicit in this one. The university handed its program over to a scoundrel and let him do his thing.
Everyone wondered when the other athletic shoe would drop on Memphis. Now we know the answer to that.
But when you think about the University of Massachusetts, do you think of it as a dirty school?
No. Of course not.
You think it happened to have a dirty coach.
That is the legacy of that scandal. That will be the legacy of this one, too.
Q: Why can’t you call it a Final Four appearance when Calipari is the coach?
A: Because it’s temporary!
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Big Ben / August 20, 2009
You’d think that the second time a Calipari coached team forfeits a final four the NCAA might punish the perp instead of the school.
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DrDick / August 20, 2009
Kentucky hired a real weiner.
Q: How can you tell John Calipari is lying?
A: His lips are moving.
Q. What is the difference between John Calipari and Tim Floyd?
A. Tim Floyd got caught.
Q: What is the difference between John Calipari and a bucket of doo doo.
A. None, they both stink.
Hey, UK Fans – enjoy your wins before the NCAA takes them away. You hired a two time cheater.
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DocBean / August 20, 2009
So Kansas is the 08 Champions, and now they also hold the record for most wins ever in a season? Wow.
I can’t wait to see what happens when Kentucky is forced to vacate a full season of wins after Calipari gets caught again. I guess we won’t have to hear from any of their fans bragging about most all time wins. They’d be jumped by UNC and KU.
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bball purist / August 20, 2009
Hide your head in shame Rastaboy Calimari lover. JC has been swimming in shark infested waters since UMASS, and now he and Memphis get eaten up. I guess the NCAA sniffing dogs do have fangs after all. It was a no brainer to the rest of us, but you insisted Memphis would be free and clear, huh Pasta?
We don’t need you to admit it, because it’s self evident you do not know jack, and you refused to see what was coming down the pike. Eat crow, not pasta, baby!!! Another Final Four down the tubes!!!
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rockchalkin / August 20, 2009
oooohhhh man….
This board is about to blow up.
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JayJayPG / August 20, 2009
I would be so mortified to be a Kentucky fan to have this ass clown for a head coach. Any success that Calipari has at UK is just going to open more floodgates of accusations (and possible investigations). Everyone will just assume that he “cheated” his way to victory…
I wonder what % of UK fans are regretting this hiring decison now? It’s almost inevitable that something is going to come up at some point.
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rockchalkin / August 20, 2009
DocBean-
I think Kansas is now TIED for most wins in a season. Duke had 37 somewhere in the 90s I believe and I’m pretty sure the Illini had 37 in ’05.
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JackaLope / August 20, 2009
The ncaa ruled that they had no need to prove that Rose cheated. the Educational Testing Arm decided it was a “strict liability” issue and the ncaa testing arm had determined that the test score had been cancelled.
Why does this seem hypocritical. The NCAA clearing house deemed Rose eligible. Only after the season, did questions come up. They still couldnt prove anything. Why is Memphis being punished.
How is this nearly as bad as what Arthur did at KU. Im not calling out the Jayhawks, it just seems a double standard. The NCAA is a joke, completely inconsistent!
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NinedenLtD / August 20, 2009
For me this just raises more questions than resolves anything. What I want to know is why the test was taken in Detroit. Obviously, at any testing center in Chicago, there is a good chance Rose would be recognized (rather, someone pretending to be Rose would have been recognized as an impostor).
But why Detroit? Gary Parrish noted that Detroit is the home of William Wesley. My first thought was that Chris Douglas-Roberts is from Detroit (also, of course, with close connections to WWW).
Calipari’s comments on the matter are a lot of nothing. I’m not anti-Calipari like a lot of Memphis fans, but I do think he should be more candid on the matter or at least be put to tougher questions. As should Memphis’ AD R.C. Johnson and President Shirley Raines, who have been wholly inadequate in all of this. They knew about the NCAA investigation in January and didn’t say anything. My thinking is that they got played by Calipari, who at the time was at his height of popularity in Memphis. But if they had revealed the investigation, would Kentucky have stayed away? I think Calipari probably knew he was leaving long before the end of the NCAA tournament, that the NCAA investigation may have influenced his decision to leave, and that he kept news of the investigation from becoming public so as not to hinder his attempts at getting either the Kentucky or Arizona job.
As for the penalty, it is, of course, utterly meaningless. It does seem a bit unfair in light of fact that Duke’s 1999 Final Four team didn’t have their records vacated for similar crimes, that Kansas hasn’t had slightest repercussions for the Darrell Arthur situation, and that as of yet the NCAA has not brought the hammer to USC for either the Reggie Bush or O.J. Mayo situation (although I can’t imagine the Mayo situation going unpunished).
Otherwise, if Rose was ineligible and that is the penalty even if the school is not at fault, then the penalty should be carried out. Personally, I think the penalty is a bit rough, but won’t complain. I have less of a problem with an unjust penalty than the unequal application of the rule. (Though I do believe someone of merit once said, “You cannot administer an unjust law impartially.”)
It seems to me that the NCAA is really avoiding the toughest questions here. I’ve defended William Wesley and Calipari in the past, as recently as a few weeks ago. But at some point you have to figure that something will happen to reveal a nasty truth behind all of the supposed coincidences surrounding WWW and Coach Cal.
My two cents.
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Big Ben / August 20, 2009
Difference between Rose and Arthur is that Arthur’s alleged cheating (since proven false) occurred to keep him eligible for high school. Apparently it had nothing to do with getting him to pass the Clearinghouse.
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JessieWildcat / August 20, 2009
AZ,
Can YOU smell it?
The hard nasty smell is NCAA DAMAGE CONTROL!
Yes, the NCAA is in DAMAGE CONTROL.
After being 4 weeks late to issue the “slap on the wrist” penality.
(U$C is feeling real good about the NCAA….)
This is what the NCAA had to say….and I say….WHAT is wrong with this picture?
Based on GROWING disbelief on the NCAA penalities on Memphis…
The NCAA is in damage control.
The infractions committee said it struck hard with its penalties because the ineligible player was used the ENTIRE season.
STRUCK HARD? No one is buying this.
But wait, there is MORE.
The committee also said the player’s brother received free transportation on the team’s charter plane and hotel lodging that season. Investigators said the total cost would have come to $1,713.85. Such an arrangement is considered an impermissible extra benefit.
“Neither the travel coordinator nor the business director had an explanation as to how the brother was permitted to board without having paid for the two flights,” the NCAA report said.
MEMPHIS COULD NOT EXPLAIN the FREE TRAVEL , EITHER.
Note:
The Memphis woman team was STRUCK HARDER than the numerous basketball violations.
“women’s golf team also received three years probation and lost a scholarship”
WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE?
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JessieWildcat / August 20, 2009
But, lets BACK to Cali and WWW.
The KENTUCKY governor had to step in and SAY…….
“I’m not worried about it because they have never said Coach Cal did anything wrong at all,” said Kentucky Gov. Steve Beshear.
This is the same Kentucky state and governor which is involved with:
a. There was various assualts (fights) at a UK party.
It involved various players and during the fight a weapon was used.
YOU would expect some arrests?
But, the Kentucky police issued NO arrests.
It may national headlines.
Only in Kentucky can you bring a gun out and start pointed it at others and NOT get arrested.
Right governor Beshear.
b. For months, no one in Kentucky wanted to talk about the Pitino sex situation. The newspaper REFUSED to make any comments. It was only after NATIONAL comment, in this forum, that ..the following day, the paper HAD to report that Pitino was accused of rape. And the following day, the Kentucky police said, NO crime had been committed.
The main point deals with the cover up which was attempted.
c. Kentucky is know fighting NOT to pay its former coach.
It went to the Texas court and basically told inconsistencies.
Some would say that would be considered perjury.
UK hired him so, pay him.
The DOL should of been involved months ago.
d. The BIGGEST is thast the NCAA is considering going back to review the STATUS of the incoming freshman. A second look is in order if the NCAA is surely coming after Cali and WWW.
Note:
Mass was STRIKE ONE.
Memphis was STRIKE TWO.
And Kentucky appears to be STRIKE THREE….and OUT.
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jreeves5319 / August 20, 2009
All this proves is that the NCAA plays favorites and that it has its targets as well…
Cal is one of their targets. Sure he’s shady, but they have never proven that he was involved implicitly in this mess. So they punish the team and school and know that people will vilify Coach Cal b/c of it all.
It’s a goddamn kangaroo court.
The craziest part of this entire fiasco is that the NCAA made this ruling not b/c they gained proof that Rose had a stand in…but b/c the ETS sent a letter to Rose’s house in Chicago to make an inquiry…while the kid was in Memphis preparing for the conf. tourney and the NCAA tourney and he didn’t respond.
So basically you’re telling me that the NCAA and ETS threw out his test score b/c he didn’t get back to them in time.
I doubt his family even gave him his mail as ridiculous as that sounds…
What happened to Duke’s Final Four from 2001 when Corey M. was proven to have taken money from Myron P.?
Not a damn thing. Someone explain to me why?
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jhawk4 / August 20, 2009
First of all let me say that i think its stupid that the NCAA can punish memphis because the Clearinghouse screwed up. The clearinghouse has one job and they completely blew it. Rose should have never been eligible. They need to really tighten up the NCAA clearinghouse so they can prevent the same thing from happening again.
The last thing i’ll add is my defense of D. Arthur. His academic problems were proven FALSE and never made it out of the Dallas school district to the NCAA.
Even if Arthur did have his math grade changed, the school district said it was not going to take away his diploma. With a diploma and passing college entrance test scores Arthur would be admitted to play.
Also, Arthur has been adamantly denied his grades being changed in high school, and i havent heard Rose stepping up to defend his innocence very much. the fact that he took the exam in detroit says it all for me, and i think that was important in the ruling.
if the NCAA was smart they would go after WWW. i hope its only a matter of time.
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blasphemy / August 20, 2009
On a more logical note, after you get done posting…… still waiting….. ok, done yet? Alright, seriously, the NCAA is a joke, you are right on that front. You are wrong on another front though, they simply don’t have great evidence about him cheating on the SAT. One person? Really? Too great of an improvement? Maybe he wasn’t feeling well his first SAT score. But hey, your not here to talk about proof, nope! Why do that when you can build a schema about a person. One which says he is the evilest of all evils. Sounds to me like you only see people as either good or bad. This is the trait of borderline personality disorder, you might want to get checked out.
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blasphemy / August 20, 2009
USC called and wants his/her post format back.
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blasphemy / August 20, 2009
Or you might think that since he was cleared of wrong doing both times that Myron P. and Corey Maggette might get their investigation settled sometime in the next year. Who know’s though? The NCAA does have a great track record right?
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blasphemy / August 20, 2009
That’s what she said. OH, my bad, that insult only works on dudes. That’s my bad.
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OldTerp / August 20, 2009
jreeves5319
Good question about Duke …. maybe it’s because they pull in a lot of viewers hoping they get spanked and Coach K. is the Golden Boy for ESPN. I agree – the NCAA plays favorites and it’s all about their image for the networks. Money talks.
I think Duke has a good program overall and Mike K is a good coach, but the same rules should apply equally to all and it’s clear that’s not the case.
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blasphemy / August 20, 2009
Yup, you got that right.
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blasphemy / August 20, 2009
Really? He wanted Marcus Camby to take money? He is also guilty because he self reported it? Wow, it is possible for people with half their brain removed to utilize language! How fascinating! Though its obvious that the left brain was the one removed in this case…… too bad.
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blasphemy / August 20, 2009
(Not a facetious comment)
Might be because people have schema’s about other people. A person as a whole, especially when they get older, becomes harder to change. Remember, people ripping on Calapari are because they believe him to fundamentally be a cheat and a bad person. Even when evidence is there to contradict the truely wrong, they choose to not listen. It’s essentially the old addage of “you can’t teach an old dog new tricks.” This also hold true for a person’s reasoning. They simply refuse and/or can’t change for the most part. Sometimes there is hope for a few though.
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blasphemy / August 20, 2009
(Not a facetious comment)
I agree Jackalope. Except that I think that the Corey Maggette situation at Duke is worse than what Rose did. Mind you, the Corey Maggette situation is still, “allegedly” being investigated. It’s been going on for almost 10 years now. Still, even after Maggette and Piggie both addmitted wrong doing, (making Corey Maggette ineligible to play College B ball before he even got to Duke), there has still been no ruling on the case. I too am not calling out Duke, but calling a person guilty by association and/or guilty through personification by the masses? Really? Guilty until proven Innocent? Believing that goes against the very foundation of the United States.
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blasphemy / August 20, 2009
(Not a facetious comment)
From what I understand, the Test was not taken in Detroit. I really dont know where you got that info from. In fact, the whole “reason” that this is even being investigated is because someone from his H.S. claimed that it was not Derrick Rose who took the test in question and that the person who did take it was a “school mate” of Derrick Rose. This is how all this began. Please post a source for your info. Here is mine:
http://www.ask.com/bar?q=Where+did+Derrick+Rose+take+his+SAT+at%3F&page=1&qsrc=0&ab=0&u=http%3A%2F%2Fyourseason.suntimes.com%2Fboys_basketball%2F1595888%2C052709-derrick-rose-ncaa-investigation.article
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blasphemy / August 20, 2009
“Since proven false”? Interesting you should say that. The way the U.S. court systems are ran is “innocent until proven guilty”. Also, what about Myron Piggie and Corey Maggette? They confirmed the claims that Corey Maggette wasn’t eligible due to his lack of amateur status, yet nothing came of them? Interesting huh?
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blasphemy / August 20, 2009
(Not a facetious comment)
You had me at hello! Until you said goodbye. I agree with all of what you say until the very last line.
I personally have not seen anything about him taking the test in Detroit, and since the whole controversy started over somebody saying his school mate took it for him? Would his school mate really go to Detroit to take it? I’ll believe that accusation once I see a good article on it. If you dont mine, could you post a link to the site you got the whole “rose took the ACT/SAT in detroit?”
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rockchalkin / August 20, 2009
Man, I love this site…
First of all, I agree that the main problem here is the NCAA Clearinghouse. I definitely do NOT trust/like Cal, but Memphis got screwed in this situation, in my opinion. Rose was deemed eligible by the Clearinghouse, so Memphis let him play. So, in a sense, the NCAA is punishing something that it had already said was okay.
According to this logic: I tell my dog it’s okay to have a biscuit; my dog eats the biscuit: I kick my dog for eating it.
*Note: I love my dog and would never kick it, just trying to prove a point.
The NCAA Clearinghouse really needs to get itself in line, in my opinion. On another note, South Oak Cliff High School (Arthur’s high school) was under investigation TWICE by the Dallas School District (or equivalent thereof) and other “third parties”. No investigation turned anything up, which is why the NCAA was not involved. Another note- I believe South Oak Cliff HAS had to forfeit state championships in the recent past because of grade-changing scandals. Arthur’s incident was not one of these.
Finally, I really think that the NCAA Infractions Committee needs to pull its head out of its own you-know-what. From what I can tell, it rules each case arbitrarily, with little (if any) consistency among cases.
Just my two cents…
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rockchalkin / August 20, 2009
Also,
If I were Derrick Rose and this was going on around my SAT scores, I would be raising all hell. For crying out loud, his only season at Memphis just got vacated in big part to the whole test taking situation.
If I were in his position (and innocent) I would be in such a rage that the NCAA would have to call the “United Nations and get a (expletive removed) binding resolution to keep me from (expletive removed) destroying” them (to quote Tropic Thunder).
Perhaps Rose’s reaction (or lack thereof) is all too telling…
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NinedenLtD / August 20, 2009
The Memphis Commercial Appeal sure seems to think he took his test in Detroit, or so they’ve been reporting all day. Gary Parrish also mentioned it on his blog. The article you gave me was from May 2009. Apparently, according to the report, which I haven’t seen, he took the test three times in Chicago and failed all three times then took it in Detroit approximately one month before he enrolled in classes at the University of Memphis.
http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2009/aug/20/geoff-calkins-course-calipari-knew-now-its-all-aca/
If it is the case that the fraudulent test was taken in Detroit, then it really only raises more questions. And I can’t imagine it looks good for Calipari. The NCAA, as someone else mentioned, appears to be in complete damage control and leaving a major rock unturned, most likely because they are afraid of what they might find.
I could be wrong about everything, but from what I am reading this is how it appears.
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NinedenLtD / August 20, 2009
As a Memphis fan…
You cannot punish Rose, he is in the NBA, and he never wanted to play in the NCAA anyway.
You could punish Calipari if you can prove that he was in the wrong. Whether or not he was on this issue or any other, I do not know. The NCAA has not asked those questions. They should, but they have not.
You cannot punish the team “going forward.” Pastner wasn’t even on the staff during that season and many of the players were not either.
All that is left is to punish the school. Vacating games is a dumb penalty (period) no matter what, for obvious reasons and really they do nothing but punish the fan-base. Which in this case may be okay, since we knew about WWW and about Calipari before this happened, and maybe we should have been wiser. Memphis will have to pay back money earned during the NCAA Tournament. That is good, I think.
Now, R.C. Johnson should be fired. Not necessarily because of the NCAA’s ruling, but because of the way Calipari played him. The fact that R.C. knew about the investigation in January and didn’t go public with it is inexcusable.
Either way, the whole thing stinks. I think there is a lot more we’re not being told.
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jhawk4 / August 20, 2009
i heard doug gottlieb and people on CBS talking about it.
http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6271764/16733001
thats what im going off of
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pastaboy / August 21, 2009
Fortunately Cal got away from such a filthy program into a situation where his integrity and HOF credentials will flourish
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blasphemy / August 21, 2009
(Not a facetious comment)
Ok, this is the second time I’ve heard this. So I will “bite”. This does raise questions, but more than just obvious ones about the connection to WWW. How long was he in Detroit? Does he have family there? If WWW is so mysterious, how do people know where his house is? Surely he would pick better residence with all of his connections? I think there is more to this indeed like you said. Check out this article if you want:
http://www.aseaofblue.com/2009/8/20/996906/kentucky-baskeball-mike-decourcy
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blasphemy / August 21, 2009
(Not a facetious comment)
You are right, it does raise more questions, but more than the obvious witch-hunt ones. I posted those questions below along with a link. Hope you enjoy.
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blasphemy / August 21, 2009
There are days for talking smack. Today is not one of those days. Today is the day of providing “anti-witch-hunt” logic. (that’s what she said)
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NinedenLtD / August 21, 2009
According to the story I read, Derrick Rose was in Detroit to watch a Piston’s playoff game and took the test while there. I haven’t seen a report of how long he was there.
As for WWW, it is the job of the news media to find out things like where a certain person lives if it is relevant to the story. They have their sources, but probably it is a lot easier than that. Most newsrooms have phone books of every major city in America and many international cities. With the internet it is easier than ever. WWW has connections and reporters have sources. My guess is some of his connections are the media’s sources. He’s “Mr. Mysterious” but it is impossible that nobody knows anything about him, he is simply too well connected.
BTW, The first player he steered toward Memphis was Chris Douglas-Roberts, who is also from Detroit.
The article you linked, if true, is pretty interesting. I happen to think the circumstantial evidence, not in dispute, that Rose didn’t take the test himself is significant. But it is still circumstantial and it seems pretty bizarre for the testing service to invalidate a score on circumstantial grounds.
Another report here in Memphis was pretty interesting. It indicated that the Illinois Office of Inspector General notified the UofM in October 2007 (before the season began) that there were testing irregularities regarding Rose’s SAT. The University supposedly conducted its own investigation and decided to let him play anyway.
http://www.wreg.com/wreg-ncaa-ruling,0,2372523.story
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blasphemy / August 21, 2009
On my own accord,
Does Pat Forde have any credibility left? I mean really. When the Pitino story comes around, according to Forde, “Pitino isn’t the one on trial, Sypher is.” Then comes the Memphis ‘vacation’ and even though Calipari is CLEARED by the NCAA of any wrong doing, Forde has this to say: “Calipari is obviously a man of questionable character.” Is the “character” in the new ‘Patino’ book devoid of any questions too? Apparently Rick and Forde need to go to the nearest YMCA to express their true feelings toward each other. Isn’t man love just a great thing? I know Pat is like that because his hypocrisy is so reflexive, it penetrates!
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blasphemy / August 21, 2009
(Not a facetious comment)
I’m not sure I’m ready to bite on the Illinois office of inspector notifying UofM on that whole business quite yet. If more of the same report comes out, I will though. Honestly I would love to see all of the “evidence” in the case before I go much further though (meaning I would love to have a copy of the entire report that the NCAA has)
On the whole Detroit thing, if Chris Douglas-Roberts was a One and done or two and done player, then I might think that a horrid connection was there. But isn’t he a 3 or 4 year player? Come’on, ***EVEN IF*** WWW was a connection, does this really change the land-scape forever if Cal got another solid 3-4 year guy as well? Be honest with yourself.
The question about WWW still stands though. If WWW is THAT dirty, surely some reporter (since they do know where he lives) would have an undercover detail on him just for them to “get the scoop.” He would have been caught by now seeing he has been around quite a while. He is shady, I’ll give you that along with my hands and feet. He has not been charged with anything malacious though by the NCAA or anybody else. He is either THAT good or all the witch-hunters are THAT salemesque. If he is ever found out to be doing the “things” we suspect him of, then I will be the **first** to call him out along with JC.
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DocBean / August 21, 2009
What Hall of Fame credentials would that be?
He’s never even made it to a Final Four!
He’s a joke, and he’s going to get eaten alive now that he’s in a real conference.
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OldTerp / August 24, 2009
Pasta
I thought you said in the past that you’re a Memphis grad. Why are you trashing the program?
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